tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054853820111729866.post8364832695342953300..comments2024-03-15T09:30:08.974+01:00Comments on The Radical Catholic: Universal Salvation in Three Easy StepsRadical Catholichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04135335562951838761noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054853820111729866.post-60062002513208014282014-12-30T01:12:22.257+01:002014-12-30T01:12:22.257+01:00Dear Anon,
Actually, the profile image is that of...Dear Anon,<br /><br />Actually, the profile image is that of <b>Pope Benedict XV</b>, not Pope Pius XII. I chose his image because he seems to me to be a largely forgotten pope. Which is to say, you're not the first one to make the same mistake.<br /><br />I find it interesting that, rather than argue the point that Fr. Tangorra is, in fact, promoting Universal Salvation, you've chosen to argue that the doctrine of Universal Salvation is fully in line with Catholic teaching - at least in its "development" since Pope Pius XII's 1943 encyclical <i>Mystici Corporis Christi</i>. Surely, you must be aware that the doctrine of <i>Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus</i> has been part of the ordinary magisterium of numerous Popes through the long history of the Church, including Pelagius II, St. Gregory the Great, Innocent III, Boniface VIII, Eugene IV, Leo XII, Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, St. Pius X, and Benedict XV. Even Pope Pius XII, whom you chose to quote in support of your contention, stated:<br /><br />"By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth."<br /><br />Are we supposed to ignore centuries of papal teaching on this on the grounds of a few vague statements made in the last 50 years? Either you believe that all men are called to become full, conscious and visible members of the Catholic Church, or you do not. Making a rule out of what is, essentially, a rare exception - besides being poor pastoral practice - is reckless endangerment of souls. Radical Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04135335562951838761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2054853820111729866.post-86945249292510425962014-12-29T23:48:40.848+01:002014-12-29T23:48:40.848+01:00Dear Radical Catholic:
Before making any further ...Dear Radical Catholic: <br />Before making any further comments on Fr. Tangorra's theology, please read Pope Pius XII's encyclical, "Mystici Corporis Christi", paragraph 103, where is discussed the "votum inscio". It is this paragraph that is further developed by the Second Vatican Council in Lumen Gentium paragraphs 14-16 and in Gaudium et Spes 22. Yet further developed by the CDF in "Dominus Iesus", pars. 12-14, 20-22. <br /><br />While those who may have a mystical, unconscious, relationship with the Church do not obviously share in the full fruits that Christ has merited for the salvation gratuitously offered all humanity, namely the Church and her Sacraments, such a person by explicit faith, hope and love, the theological virtues, are indeed united to God, in the first instance, Christ Jesus, though not consciously in the second instance, and the Church of Christ, again not consciously in the third instance, and her Sacraments, in the fourth instance. True also, without these, the ordinary means that God provides for our salvation, the virtuous life may be more difficult. Yet, salvation is not impossible.<br /><br />You sir, fail to remember that "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus" was never part of any dogmatic definition offered by a Pope, ex cathedra, or an Ecumenical Council, and is thus a dogmatic principle, but not a Defined Dogma. It is also, likewise, not explicit or implicit in sacred Scripture, thus it is not Doctrine. Furthermore, its original application by St. Cyprian of Carthage was in regards those already in the Church, who leave the Church in search for a "greater" truth and salvation outside of it. Cyrpian's dictum never applied, in his usage thereof, to those outside the Church, but to those who were inside, having known the truth of Jesus Christ, and have left.<br /><br />If you cannot accept these sources of Catholic teaching, then you ought to reconsider calling yourself Catholic, "Feenyite" sure thing, but Catholic...not so much! Even Ven. Pope Piux XII, whose image you adorn your profile with, condemned Leonard Feeney and his interpretation of "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus", which you seem to champion in the same way that Feeney had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com